Thunderbird 125.0

[Zema Bus]

Thunderbird has been based on Firefox ESR, but it just jumped from 115.0 to 125.0. I thought Firefox ESR must have jumped as well, but it's still showing as 115.0. So I don't know if Thunderbird was rebased on the regular release of Firefox, or if Firefox ESR will soon make the jump as well. I couldn't find much information about it and there are no release notes yet. I'm about to see the new version after I finish updating Slackware.

[Grogan]

They'll probably lag behind for a while. Thunderbird isn't firefox, there's stuff they'd have to port to the new mozilla base. I hope so anyway, my folks don't like ANYTHING changed in their email program. They have a hard enough time not making panes etc. go away.

I really hate those GUI traps and email programs are always full of them. Accidentally changing sort order fucks people up, turning off toolbars and panes, accidentally undocking menu items (fuck you, Outlook), accidentally changing header display (and it's super easy to do in Thunderbird and it affects all emails AND printing messages! I get Michaeled... why are my emails printing all this garbage)

[Grogan]

It sure doesn't take much to get Michaeled. An update to Thunderbird changed the default preview pane (it doesn't open to a mail message, I guess in case the last message is bad or something).

They changed the preview pane to have different donation nags and shit, but my mother had the pane dragged way down to the bottom. She double clicks messages to read them and uses big message lists for her mailboxes. Thunderbird overrode her geometry and displayed a BIG preview pane and small message list. Can't have people hiding their new glorious donation nags, can we.

I just had to drag it down again the way she had it, but it was enough to mess my mother up (disorienting), while she's busy at income tax time. I'm sick of that fucking program.

[Zema Bus]

Was it one of those big "keep Thunderbird alive" popups that open in a new tab? That can be disorienting, especially for anyone who seldom uses tabs in Thunderbird. I've been using Thunderbird for years, mostly due to inertia.

[Grogan]

No, not a popup, just the initial shit that's in the preview pane when you open the program. It looked different than before and was positioned larger (my mother always had it dragged mostly out of view).

[Grogan]

... and yes, it's inertia. I can't change my parents' email program because all their mail for years is in it, and they are used to the way it works (to the point that if one thing is out of place it messes them up... like accidentally dismissing the mail toolbar with compose New Mail and shit). Also, there really isn't a decent mail client for Windows anymore, besides that poxy Microsoft Office Outlook (which I won't install).

That FoxMail has been bought out by TenCent and I wouldn't trust it as far as I could squelch it out my ass. I couldn't give them "Claws" because it defangs html and presents it as text with image attachments (not inline). I like that (insist on it), but nobody else will.