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Foreign Made Router Ban

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The Federal Communications Commission on Monday added all foreign-manufactured consumer routers to its Covered List — the federal government's running blacklist of communications equipment deemed a national security threat. The move effectively bans the sale of new WiFi routers made outside the country.

The ban is sweeping, as virtually every consumer router on the market today is made overseas. However, the FCC also said that previously approved WiFi routers can still be operated and sold.

An FCC communication states that the "action does not impact a consumer’s continued use of routers they previously acquired." Likewise, it doesn't "prevent retailers from continuing to sell, import, or market router models approved previously through the FCC’s equipment authorization process."
Any equipment on the FCC's Covered List is blocked from receiving new authorization, which is required before a device can be imported, marketed, or sold in the United States. And the FCC's decision adds "all consumer-grade routers produced in foreign countries" to that list.

Effectively, all home router brands will be impacted by the ban. (The only domestically-produced consumer routers Mashable is aware of are made by Starlink for satellite internet.)

The FCC's update applies to any router produced outside the U.S. — and the FCC's definition of "produced" is deliberately broad. It covers not just where a device is physically assembled, but where it was designed, developed, or had any major stage of its manufacturing process completed. So, a router designed in the United States by an American company but assembled in Taiwan would still be banned, for instance.
However, if you need an upgrade, now's the time to do it. The FCC granted a limited waiver on Monday, allowing all previously authorized routers to continue receiving software and firmware updates — security patches, bug fixes, and compatibility updates — at least until March 1, 2027, at which point the agency says it will reassess.

The waiver exists because, without it, the Covered List rules would have immediately stripped those routers of update eligibility the moment they were added to the list, even for devices already sitting in people's homes. The irony here is that the FCC's ban is premised entirely on the security risks of foreign-made routers, which, by its own mechanics, will eventually cut off the security updates that keep those same routers from becoming liabilities.
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Mine was made in the US, by me (pfSense) :)
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I wouldn't buy networking equipment that comes out of America's arsehole right now, so I guess I'll order TP-Link gear from Chinese marketplaces. (e.g. AliExpress has them with free shipping and all)

Fuck The FCC. Absolutely fuck every corrupt agency of this administration. How are they going to stop people from updating their firmware?
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I have Spectrum for mobile and internet. Their gear is Sagecom (which is a French company). The ban is on new manufacturing only and seems to target Chinese gear. Geez - automakers have to comply with all kinds of laws concerning safety, security and reliability. Drivers have to be licensed and insured. There are no laws on the books that requires competency for netizens to use the internet. How many lives have been ruined by Nigerian Princes? And besides, this ban does NOT apply to equipment already in use. ALL equipment now in use is still able to upgrade and be replaced if necessary by the same brand in use. Not everybody out there are able to control their own security.
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To put it bluntly, the Trump regime seeks to control and isolate you.

This is what your current government has wrought. We in Canada are more worried about America than China (who is actually a good trading partner) while your government tries to plunge the world into chaos to cover crimes and enrich megalomaniacal crooks. The reason I won't trust American gear after hearing this, and the source of the red flag for me, is that Cisco gear was backdoored at the behest of the NSA. It has been going on for a long time (decades at least), and it ruined their reputation.

What's changed? I used to trust the U.S. to use such means to protect themselves and their allies.

Why is the ban on CONSUMER grade routers? I could see mandates for government agencies, police etc. but this is for the public. The grandfathering will expire, too. Not just banning specific ones either. Your government is paranoid and doesn't trust you, because it makes its own enemies. Expect them to be locked down so you can't tamper with the OS or the radios etc. too. (I use DD-WRT on my TP-Link routers... they have good quality Atheros SoCs with radios that tolerate cranking up the TX power without causing out of band noise)

Here's some "fake news" about lawful intercept:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/cisco ... 37480.html

https://www.infoworld.com/article/21792 ... ducts.html
“The NSA routinely receives — or intercepts — routers, servers, and other computer network devices being exported from the U.S. before they are delivered to the international customers,” Greenwald writes. “The agency then implants backdoor surveillance tools, repackages the devices with a factory seal, and sends them on. The NSA thus gains access to entire networks and all their users.” - Glenn Greenwald
P.S. I'm sorry, I just can't walk on eggshells around all of this. If modern day were a movie people would be saying "bullshit, yeah right" because the level of corruption is surreal. So maybe I'm a little paranoid too, but the signs are all there. America, the last place I'd have thought this level of evil could fester all the way to fruition.
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It is very different from what it was 25 years ago, and much more so the past year. With all the stuff I've been seeing, hearing and reading about lately it is quite concerning.

I'll likely continue to stick to building my own routers like I've been doing for over 10 years, but I use a separate WAP for my WiFI. I've been using TP-Link WAP's for a while, the previous ones looked like WiFi routers but my current one plugs directly into the wall. It's the best WAP I've had, it has WiFi 7 and the signal is always great.

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That's the tricky part... the WAP. You can build a router, but a client adapter would make a piss poor WiFi radio (they aren't going to have the TX power... regulatory domains etc.). I could use anything, even my raspberry pi, as a router if I attached a WAP to it, but then I wouldn't be able to control the radio (no WAP device firmware is going to let you do that beyond changing wireless channels etc.)

Another thing about WiFi client adapters (from pfsense wiki)
Wireless cards from big name vendors

Linksys, D-Link, Netgear and other major manufacturers commonly change the chipset used in their wireless cards without changing the model number. There is no way to ensure a specific model card from these vendors will be compatible because there is no reliable way of knowing which “minor” card revision and chip a package contains. While one revision of a particular model may be compatible and work well, another card of the same model may be incompatible. For this reason, the best practice is to avoid cards from major manufacturers. If a card is already on hand, it is worth trying to see if it is compatible. Be wary when purchasing because even if the “same” model worked for someone else, a new purchase may result in a completely different piece of hardware that is incompatible.
"avoid cards from major manufacturers" lol

I remember this horseshit in the 2000's, even with ethernet NICs. I used to buy D-Link but they kept changing their chipsets and you had no way of knowing. They were realtek 8139 (one of the best, most reliable, well supported at the time), then they switched to Sundance Alta, which was also good (as long as I knew and compiled the kernel driver) but then they changed to VIA Rhine which was more troublesome. That's when I quit buying D-Link gear.
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It was that way with FreeNAS too, very finicky about hardware. But that was before they rebased it away from FreeBSD and to Linux.
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